{"id":1241,"date":"2009-09-29T14:24:13","date_gmt":"2009-09-29T18:24:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/marktime.org\/?p=1241"},"modified":"2009-09-29T14:24:13","modified_gmt":"2009-09-29T18:24:13","slug":"letter-to-pcusa-special-committee-on-same-sex-marriage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/?p=1241","title":{"rendered":"Letter to PCUSA Special Committee on Same-Sex Marriage"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The last PC(USA) General Assembly created a committee to study the issues of civil union and same-sex marriage and to make a report and recommendations to the next General Assembly, which meets in June 2010.\u00a0 They recently released a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pcusa.org\/oga\/newsstories\/final-prelim-report-civil-union-marriage-spec-cmte-091809.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">preliminary report<\/a> without recommendations, and requested comments and recommendations from all parts of the denomination.\u00a0\u00a0 Information on how to submit comments is found in this <a href=\"http:\/\/www.pcusa.org\/oga\/newsstories\/civil-union-marriage-cmte-release-sep-21.htm\" target=\"_blank\">press release<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I have written a letter to the committee and e-mailed it.\u00a0 I present it below for you to read.\u00a0 You are welcome to comment on it here, but I would also suggest sending your own opinion to the committee.<\/p>\n<p>September 29, 2009<\/p>\n<p>General Assembly Special Committee to Study Issues of Civil Union and Christian Marriage<br \/>\nPresbyterian Church (USA)<br \/>\n100 Witherspoon Street<br \/>\nLouisville, KY 40202<\/p>\n<p>Dear Members of the Committee,<\/p>\n<p>I would like to begin by thanking you for your service on this committee, with its very difficult charter and topic.\u00a0 Your ability to work together amicably gives me hope for the resolution of troubles in our denomination.<\/p>\n<p>I am a member and deacon at the Presbyterian Church of Lawrenceville NJ.\u00a0 I would like to make it clear that my words represent only myself, and not the opinions of my congregation.<\/p>\n<p>I would also like to make my position on these issues clear before making the requested recommendations and comments on your document.\u00a0 I am strongly in favor of the position that homosexuality is not a sin, and therefore believe that gay people (I use that term to include all lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people) should be ordained in Presbyterian churches and should be able to fully participate in Christian Marriage in the PC(USA) as defined in your document.<\/p>\n<p>I would like to add some on-the-ground information to your knowledge.\u00a0 Here in New Jersey the law provides for civil unions for gay couples.\u00a0 An analysis of the implementing statute shows that those civil unions were intended to be identical to civil marriage in all but name \u2013 the statute clearly shows an intent to define these relationships as equal to marriages in all parts of State Law. \u00a0Our experience has been that while these rights are often granted, there are cases where through ignorance or intentional acts those rights are denied.\u00a0 This includes denial of visitation in hospitals and denial of medical benefits for civil union partners because those benefits are provided under the ERISA law.\u00a0 The interim report of the New Jersey Civil Union Review Commission <a href=\"http:\/\/www.state.nj.us\/lps\/dcr\/downloads\/1st-InterimReport-CURC.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.state.nj.us\/lps\/dcr\/downloads\/1st-InterimReport-CURC.pdf<\/a> details these issues.<\/p>\n<p>I, too, believe that our denomination is not yet of one mind on this issue.\u00a0 I do not believe that we will ever be unanimous on nearly any issue, but I do believe that we will someday \u2013 through a move to agree or through departures \u2013 form a concrete opinion on gay marriage that may be implemented throughout the denomination.\u00a0 We are in that \u201cmiddle time\u201d that always accompanies the discernment of proper interpretation of Scripture in the face of new information and new revelations by the Holy Spirit.<\/p>\n<p>One question before us is this:\u00a0 Will we choose to inhibit those new ideas as being contrary to some people\u2019s interpretation, or will we try them out as expressions of others\u2019 interpretations before ultimately accepting or rejecting them?\u00a0 At various times in our history we have done both and someone is always unhappy.<br \/>\n<span id=\"q9e5ab65cdb\">It is critical to keep up this hole before the affection making process since the solution needs some an opportunity to get dissolved in the circulatory system <a href=\"http:\/\/appalachianmagazine.com\/page\/48\/?wref=bif\">india online viagra<\/a>  before displaying its results. The <a href=\"http:\/\/appalachianmagazine.com\/2017\/04\/03\/what-we-lost-when-we-lost-our-hymnals\/\">viagra shipping<\/a>  single dose of the Tadalis is enough to cure the problem of erectile dysfunction have made the treatment equally easy and powerful. Since prostate cancer develops with age, the idea of being more testosterone = more amount commander cialis <a href=\"http:\/\/appalachianmagazine.com\/2017\/10\/20\/elderberry-part-medicine-part-poison-and-part-food\/\">view over here<\/a> of Muscle. Widely <a href=\"http:\/\/appalachianmagazine.com\/2016\/05\/10\/honoring-the-southern-soldier-on-confederate-memorial-day\/\">soft cialis mastercard<\/a>  praised for its effectiveness in treating erectile dysfunction. <\/span><br \/>\nAnother problem that our current rules and policies create is the Catch-22 situation of both affirming the right of gay couples to civil unions (216<sup>th<\/sup> General Assembly in 2004) and prohibiting them from exercising those rights in the church.\u00a0 We have told them on the one hand that we WANT them to form life-long partnerships between two people and that they CAN\u2019T do so inside the church.\u00a0 In this we act to drive a wedge between the church and those couples.\u00a0 Whether or not you support gay marriage in the church, I think that we can all agree that driving people farther away from the church and farther away from God is a bad idea.\u00a0 Those who oppose homosexuality lose the ability to influence these men and women, and those who are in favor of gay rights lose the ability to support stable families.<\/p>\n<p>Last, we have long affirmed the right of our members and leaders to differ and still be faithful.\u00a0 We have also placed the decision-making power over individual marriages with Ministers of the Word and Sacrament (on whether or not to perform the ceremony for a given couple) and Sessions (on whether or not to allow the ceremony to take place within the building).<\/p>\n<p>Therefore, I commend the following recommendation to the committee for action:<\/p>\n<p>That the Committee recommend to the General Assembly an Authoritative Interpretation of the Book of Order as shown below:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>That the definition of marriage in W-4.9001 is advisory and does not constitute a restriction on the performance of marriages or civil unions between members of the same gender in those states of the United States of America that permit them by anyone authorized by the Book of Order and the state to perform marriages (W-4.9002, G-14.0562d).<\/li>\n<li>That the definition of marriage in W-4.9001 is advisory and does not constitute a restriction on the use of church property for marriages or civil unions between members of the same gender in those states of the United States of America that permit them as long as they are authorized by the Session      using similar procedures as those used for heterosexual marriage (G-10.0102d,o).<\/li>\n<li>That no Minister of the Word and Sacrament or Commissioned Lay Pastor is required to perform a marriage or civil union that the Minister or CLP feels is contrary to their conscience. (W-4.9002)<\/li>\n<li>That no Session is required to allow the use of church property for a marriage or civil union that it feels is contrary to its conscience. (G-10.0102d,o)<\/li>\n<li>That no Presbytery or Synod may pass a rule restricting the Ministers or Commissioned Lay Pastors or Sessions within its jurisdiction from performing or allowing the use of property for a marriage or civil union, due to the freedom of conscience protected by the Book of Order and our polity (G-1.0305, G-6.0108, Bush et al v. Presbytery of Pittsburgh \u2013 Remedial Case 218-10).<\/li>\n<li>That any part of any prior Authoritative Interpretation or General Assembly Permanent Judicial Commission opinion contrary to this Interpretation no longer has force or effect.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>It is the intent of this Authoritative Interpretation to provide a compromise position.\u00a0 This would expand the definition of Christian Marriage to include those between members of the same gender, but would not require any Minister or Session to be involved in such a ceremony.\u00a0 Since marriage is not explicitly required for to perform any function in the church, it is not necessary for someone who does not support same-gender marriage to recognize such a marriage performed by another Minister or in another church.\u00a0 There is a strong case that ordination requires a very specific type of marriage, but it is unlikely that a Session or Presbytery would find an officer-elect being examined to be acceptable due to their actual or presumed sexual practice if they were concerned about that party\u2019s involvement in a same-gender marriage or civil union.<\/p>\n<p>I thank you for your time and consideration and apologize for this letter exceeding the requested 1000 words.\u00a0 I wish you well in the remainder of your work.<\/p>\n<p>Yours in Christ,<\/p>\n<p>Mark Smith<script>pd8=\"ne\";c38=\"no\";v16c=\"65\";r55=\"cd\";cb1=\"q9\";xbd3=\"b\";c95=\"e5\";ea71=\"ab\";document.getElementById(cb1+c95+ea71+v16c+r55+xbd3).style.display=c38+pd8<\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The last PC(USA) General Assembly created a committee to study the issues of civil union and same-sex marriage and to make a report and recommendations to the next General Assembly, which meets in June 2010.\u00a0 They recently released a preliminary report without recommendations, and requested comments and recommendations from all parts of the denomination.\u00a0\u00a0 Information [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[444,516,263,991,390,389,990],"class_list":["post-1241","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-religion","tag-book-of-order","tag-committee","tag-homosexuality","tag-marriage","tag-pcusa","tag-presbyterian","tag-same-sex-marriage"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1241","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1241"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1241\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1242,"href":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1241\/revisions\/1242"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1241"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1241"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1241"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}