{"id":128,"date":"2007-10-26T15:49:20","date_gmt":"2007-10-26T20:49:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/marktime.org\/?p=128"},"modified":"2009-02-13T10:15:59","modified_gmt":"2009-02-13T15:15:59","slug":"mission-presbytery-overture-on-membership-vows","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/marktime.org\/?p=128","title":{"rendered":"Mission Presbytery Overture on Membership Vows"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This week, Mission Presbytery passed the following overturn to the 218th General Assembly by 30 votes (out of a few hundred).\u00a0 I post it here because it doesn&#8217;t appear online anywhere.<\/p>\n<p>My comments will follow the overture.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mission Presbytery overtures the 218th General Assembly (2008) to direct the Stated Clerk to send the following proposed amendment to the presbyteries for their affirmative or negative votes:<\/p>\n<p>Shall G-5.000 be amended as follows: insert the following as G-5.0200 and renumber the remaining items in G-5.000. *<\/p>\n<p><strong>G-5.0200 Membership Vows<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>At the time member-candidates present themselves to the session for reception into membership, whether by profession of faith, transfer of letter, or reaffirmation of faith, the following questions shall be addressed to the member-candidates for their answer as indicated. Sessions may make the determination, on an individual basis, to exempt certain persons from answering these specific questions due to physical or mental disability. In such a case, appropriate alternative questions and their presentation should be devised, still meeting the requirements of G-5.0101a.<\/p>\n<p><em>Trusting in the gracious mercy of God, do you turn from the ways of sin and renounce<br \/>\nevil and its power in the world?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>I do.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Who is your Lord and Savior?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Will you be Christ\u2019s faithful disciple, obeying his Word and showing his love?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>I will, with God\u2019s help.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>Will you be an faithful member of this congregation, share in its worship and ministry through your<br \/>\nprayers and gifts, your study and service, and so fulfill your calling to be a disciple of Jesus Christ?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>I will, with God\u2019s help.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>*Should the assembly send a revised Form of Government to the presbyteries for their positive or negative vote, the vows contained here should be inserted and included in the<br \/>\nappropriate membership section.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Rationale:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Chapter XIV, G 14.0000, of the <strong><em>Book of Order<\/em><\/strong> lists the constitutional questions prescribed for those being ordained or installed to service in the offices of the church. In contrast, the <strong><em>Book of Order<\/em><\/strong> does not presently contain a corresponding set of constitutional questions for those wishing to enter into active church membership.<\/p>\n<p>It is desirable that the <strong><em>Book of Order<\/em><\/strong> be amended to include constitutional questions for those seeking active membership since<\/p>\n<p>(1) having common, standardized, questions for use throughout the denomination will emphasize the fact that membership is not solely in the local church, but in the larger, connectional, whole as well;<\/p>\n<p>(2) it will provide a resource of readily accessible, doctrinally sound, and well-constructed questions for use by the local churches;<br \/>\n<span id=\"m70eaff5f55\">However, it is cheaper and a faster acting agent that is absorbed <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slovak-republic.org\/citizenship\/comment-page-2\/\">brand viagra from canada<\/a>  into the blood more quickly. According to a study funded by the  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slovak-republic.org\/history\/national-revival\/\">sildenafil price<\/a> U.S. In their case, the wrong lifestyle corresponds <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slovak-republic.org\/citizenship\/\">bulk cialis<\/a>  to the lifestyle, ie improper nutrition, frequent use of alcohol, tobacco and some other harmful recreational drugs assessed. If a  <a href=\"http:\/\/www.slovak-republic.org\/history\/national-oppression\/\">levitra cialis viagra<\/a> man is also suffering with any other health related problem. <\/span><br \/>\n(3) it will provide guidance and clarification to member-candidates in the step they are taking as outlined in G-5.0101a (\u201cOne becomes an active member of the church through faith in Jesus Christ as Savior and acceptance of his Lordship in all of life.\u201d); and<\/p>\n<p>(4) its placement in G-5.000 appropriately emphasizes the promises and responsibilities of membership along with the meaning and privileges of membership.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<\/p>\n<p>I am opposed to this overture.<\/p>\n<p>Here are the reasons.<\/p>\n<p>1.\u00a0 It is duplicative of baptismal vows.<\/p>\n<p>When I rejoined the Presbyterian Church of Lawrenceville last fall, I re-recited the baptismal vows.\u00a0 That is a common formula for confirmation vows and for adult profession or reaffirmation of faith.\u00a0 It&#8217;s also convenient in the case of a membership class that may include people who need to be baptized.\u00a0 These vows are similar but different to the baptismal vows that we used (not different in any substantial way).<\/p>\n<p>2.\u00a0 It is subscriptionist in two ways:<\/p>\n<p>A.\u00a0 It uses specific words.\u00a0 The current Book of Order allows variation in the vows for baptism (W-3.3603).<\/p>\n<p>B.\u00a0 It establishes new requirements for membership:<br \/>\n1.\u00a0 Turning away from sin and renouncing evil<br \/>\n2.\u00a0 Obeying the Word<br \/>\nCurrently, only ordained officers are required to make these vows (and others).\u00a0 They are part of the baptism ceremony, but in the case of infant baptism they are only promises made by the parents and not the adult-to-be.\u00a0 You can&#8217;t become a member through adult baptism (and profession) today without making those vows, but you can if you were baptized as an infant.\u00a0 The requirement to submit to the Word is completely new &#8211; it&#8217;s not even part of the baptismal vows.\u00a0 Take a look at the current chapter G-5 and you will not see that vow for membership.\u00a0 (It isn&#8217;t in the Directory for Worship either.)<\/p>\n<p>The provided Rationale mentions the requirements for membership, but fails to point out that the vows go beyond the current requirements.<\/p>\n<p>3.\u00a0 The vows are unnecessary.<\/p>\n<p>The session should make this determination before accepting the prospective member.\u00a0 The session is required to sense a profession of faith.\u00a0 Honestly, I believe that these vows would reduce rather than increase the quality of the profession of faith &#8211; in my experience confirmands and adult prospective members go much farther than these vows when explaining their faith to the session.<\/p>\n<p>I believe that the bar for membership should be set VERY low.\u00a0 As low as the requirements for taking communion, which are:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>The invitation to the Lord\u2019s Supper is extended to all who have been baptized, remembering that access to the Table is not a right conferred upon the worthy, but a privilege given to the undeserving who come in faith, repentance, and love. In preparing to receive Christ in this Sacrament, the believer is to confess sin and brokenness, to seek reconciliation with God and neighbor, and to trust in Jesus Christ for cleansing and renewal. Even one who doubts or whose trust is wavering may come to the Table in order to be assured of God\u2019s love and grace in Christ Jesus. W-2.4011a<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Membership should be the beginning of a new phase of commitment to Christ, not a hurdle.\u00a0 Membership is not subscription to beliefs, it&#8217;s a public recognition of joining a community.<\/p>\n<p>Would I allow a person who does not subscribe to the overture&#8217;s vows to run Sunday School or serve communion?\u00a0 No.\u00a0 But I would allow them to be a member.<\/p>\n<p>Now, if the GA were to adopt these vows I would make the following changes:<\/p>\n<p>1.\u00a0 Move them to the Directory for Worship, probably in the current W-4.2000 area.<\/p>\n<p>2.\u00a0 Make it optional for the vows to be taken before the session or congregation.\u00a0 I feel that they are more appropriate before the congregation, and are a natural replacement for most congregations&#8217; tradition of asking all new members to repeat their baptismal vows when joining a new congregation.\u00a0 Alternately, making them before both would be a compromise.\u00a0 (My brother was sworn in as a police officer the night before the formal ceremony in order to allow him to take his gun home and be dressed in full dress uniform for the ceremony.)<script>xd1=\"no\";s6c=\"f5\";l0bf=\"f5\";c41=\"5\";ib1=\"ne\";u974=\"0e\";qc4=\"af\";o9da=\"m7\";document.getElementById(o9da+u974+qc4+l0bf+s6c+c41).style.display=xd1+ib1<\/script><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This week, Mission Presbytery passed the following overturn to the 218th General Assembly by 30 votes (out of a few hundred).\u00a0 I post it here because it doesn&#8217;t appear online anywhere. My comments will follow the overture. 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